1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,200 Serbian Film Centre finances gay cinema with over 30,000 euros. 4 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,840 It says: "A disgrace". 5 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,120 "The Serbian Film Centre finances gay cinema from the state budget." 6 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,520 Jevtić: "LGBT people pay taxes too." 7 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,000 I may be conservative, 8 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,200 but I can't believe the government would fund a gay movie. 9 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,840 They want some "extra" rights? 10 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,520 He should sit in prison until he dies, with 40 of them in the cell. 11 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,360 I found it interesting that actors are being sought, 12 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,560 as this is a documentary. 13 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,280 It seemed to me like some kind of porn. 14 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:29,680 So why not apply? -So I thought I should apply to explore. 15 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,600 Oh, my God! 16 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Are you afraid that the same thing might happen to you 17 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160 as it did to Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, 18 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,480 and you get marked at the begging of your career? 19 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,040 For me, acting is just acting. -That's my job. 20 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,240 I wouldn't have any problems with it. -There's little work and shooting here. 21 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,960 You can play a character who is not like you, 22 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,240 but you can find something of yourself in this character. 23 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,680 How long will we work? You can see for yourself what times we live in. 24 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,800 You never know what tomorrow will bring. 25 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Do you know each other from before? -From the casting. 26 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,600 What casting? -We met here, 27 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,040 but we know each other from before, from the Academy. 28 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,120 99% of people said to me: "You're not going to play a gay character, are you? 29 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,720 We often wonder what people will say. 30 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,320 So, you've probably seen the violent tabloid reactions to our movie. 31 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,160 As if we were filming something that had never been filmed before. 32 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,800 Serbian and Yugoslav cinematography used to be full of queer elements 33 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,080 which we are now trying to portray 34 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,040 We chose you as actors to find out 35 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,440 where all the queer themes found their place in domestic films 36 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,320 and why they were or were not taboo. 37 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,200 This will also be the preparation for the shooting of your feature film. 38 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,280 Just give me your phone number so I can call you. 39 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Do you have a number? -Write down. 40 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,840 WARM FILM 41 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,320 Queer moments permeate the Yugoslav cinema from the very beginning. 42 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,760 From the late 1940s to the 1950s, we find a whole series of characters 43 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,840 who subvert gender norms, either as feminized men, 44 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,840 as men in women's clothing 45 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,800 or as masculine and tomboyish, butch women, 46 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,160 Some are clearly coded as homosexuals, 47 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,160 while others may not be overtly gay at first glance, 48 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,920 but if we look closer we will realise 49 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,880 that these characters are not clearly heterosexual 50 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,240 meaning that their sexual and gender identity 51 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,640 nevertheless subverts the heteronorm. 52 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,480 The late '40s and '50s are often seen as a dark period 53 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,840 in which there was nothing remarkable before the golden 60s, 54 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,840 but this is in fact completely wrong, a total mystification. 55 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,680 This was period of the most intensive development 56 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:06,240 of Yugoslav cinematography. 57 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,080 Its truly epochal leap forward. 58 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,040 Student, you don't need a pen and a book here, you need strength. 59 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,480 The first feature-length film "Slavica" was released in 1947, 60 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,080 and just one year later we have two films with queer motifs. 61 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,760 If I had his strength, I would laugh too. 62 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:38,160 One of them is "Life is ours", people from the railway, 63 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,800 directed by Gustav Gavrin. 64 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,560 When the film's cameraman saw the edited footage, 65 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:50,040 he told the director that the young men in film looked and acted like faggots. 66 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,240 This is a direct quote that we owe to Vladimir Pogačić. 67 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,920 Hey, mate, slow down. Take a break. 68 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,440 The alleged faggots were not the result of the director's intention, 69 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,240 but rather a consequence of their incompetence. 70 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,520 He is handsome, but mute. 71 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,120 They simply didn't know how to tell the story effectively, 72 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,440 which led to a kind of misunderstanding. 73 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,960 When we part ways, you will forget me. 74 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,280 The film suppresses the characters of the girls, 75 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,400 i.e. the love relationships between young men and girls, 76 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,960 but everything that was suppressed on the heterosexual front, 77 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,160 so to speak, has erupted on the homosexual front. 78 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,680 Even the simplest exchange of glances between boys 79 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:47,080 seemed very emotional and dramatic, contributing to the impression 80 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,200 that the boys in the film were behaving like faggots. 81 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,520 New communist government under the leadership of Marshal Josip Broz Tito 82 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,720 quickly set up the Federal Committee for Cinematography, 83 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,960 which established regional committees in all six republics. 84 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,400 I don't know what criteria we will use to select the films. 85 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Well, we'll start with the well-performed ones. 86 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,080 Do you think there were any? -Of course there were. 87 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,640 We could look at some older films 88 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,840 because they have a different approach to acting than today's. 89 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,160 Got it? -Yeah. -All right, then play. 90 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,000 In 1948, Yugoslav cinema also presented 91 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,560 the first depictions of lesbian desire and lesbian sexuality. 92 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,840 This is the film "Sofka" by director Radoš Novaković, 93 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,680 an oriental melodrama based on the motifs of Bora Stanković's prose. 94 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,840 Before her wedding, the protagonist takes a ritual bath in the hamam 95 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,040 and meets with women from the village. 96 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,080 The female body could not be exhibited directly in front of the camera. 97 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,920 We see it as a silhouette on the wall of the hamam. 98 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,760 I know that my husband, whoever he may be, 99 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,520 will be someone else, and not you. 100 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,240 A unique medium through which we experience female beauty and sensuality 101 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,360 is precisely the female, probably lesbian gaze. 102 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,640 In 1950, a Yugoslavian film introduced a different kind of queer motif, 103 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,360 a man dressed as a woman, the so-called drag. 104 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,360 We owe this to film "The red flower," a war drama directed by Gustav Gavrin. 105 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,760 The same Gavrin who also directed "Life is ours." 106 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,600 The film is set in a Nazi prisoner-of-war camp 107 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,840 where the prisoners plan to infiltrate the camp administration 108 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,760 and destroy lists of names of incriminated prisoners. 109 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:35,600 To distract the Nazis, the Communists organise a staged revue 110 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,640 with various music and dance performances. 111 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,600 This includes the appearance of a barmaid 112 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,040 who performs a melancholy ballad. 113 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,360 This barmaid is the first drag character in Yugoslav cinema. 114 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,840 In "The red flower", drag is literally a political, revolutionary act, 115 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,120 a form of anti-fascist resistance. 116 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,280 Well, the man said it well. -In what sense? 117 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,120 In the sense that behind every artistic creation 118 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,240 there are personal motives, as with both of us. 119 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,920 But we have no living witnesses from that time. 120 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,440 We should start from a more recent time, 121 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,760 such as a black wave or somewhere 122 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,120 where sexuality is recognised for the first time in the film. 123 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,240 The first moment in which appears something 124 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,080 that can be conditionally associated with this concept 125 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,240 is the film "Shared Apartment" by Marijan Vajda. 126 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,640 It is a movie from 1961. 127 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,280 There is one scene 128 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,560 that is very significant for the time. 129 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,600 So, various families come to a flat that is not yet ready. 130 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,200 They try to occupy a room 131 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,200 and the one who can do it best secures accommodation. 132 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,000 But Čkalja and Mića Tatić 133 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,200 do not manage to get a room, 134 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,760 and it looks like some kind of sexual encounter. 135 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,960 What is it? Where's the fire? -Sleep! Sleep! 136 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,160 František Čap is an integral part of the history of Yugoslav cinema, 137 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,640 even as the first filmmaker known to be gay. 138 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,600 Of particular interest is his 1959. film "The Door Remains Open," 139 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,960 which shows a juvenile delinquent who escapes from a Belgrade prison 140 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,240 and reaches in Konjic via Sarajevo, where he assumes a false identity 141 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,360 and hides with a family who regard him as a child lost in the war. 142 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,560 The film eroticises its protagonist, played by Rade Vergović, 143 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,880 in a way that was unprecedented in Yugoslav cinema. 144 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,880 We are dealing with a narrative 145 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,320 that does not fulfil the audience's expectations of a heterosexual romance. 146 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,800 Not only does protagonist not get involved in a love affair 147 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,560 with the female lead played by Milena Dravić in her first role, 148 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,240 but he also rejects the advances of all the girls who chase him. 149 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Although critics found the film unconvincing and bad, 150 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,480 it nevertheless establishes an unrecognised link 151 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,440 between the queer population and delinquency. 152 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,120 What should I do? There is no water in the building. 153 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,800 I need it for those pictures. 154 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,200 Hello. -Buongiorno, signori. 155 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,000 I am Đorđe. Nice to meet you. -And I'm also Đorđe. 156 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,840 Milan Jelly in English, otherwise Milan Jelić. 157 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,440 Where is your girl, lover? 158 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,920 Over there with the neighbour. He wants to take her to the sea. 159 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,720 He is a fool if he believes her. She is a whore. 160 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,520 Speak of her with more respect. -You tell me that. 161 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:32,840 You made a film here, didn't you? -In 1967, if I remember correctly. 162 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,000 I remember that we shot "The rats woke up." 163 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,680 What was your role at Žika's film? 164 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,280 I played a boy who was in love with Dušica Zegarac, 165 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,640 and Mića Tomić was in love with him. So, they fought over me. 166 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Good afternoon. I left my pajamas at your place the other day. 167 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,240 You were asleep and I covered you up. Where is it now? 168 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,840 It's not with me anymore, it's with her. 169 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,800 Dušica Zegarac left with Perović, and I don't know what happened to me. 170 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Mića probably... -Got hold of you. -Got hold of me. 171 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,320 How did people react to Mića's role at that time? 172 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Incredibly, that time was much more liberal. 173 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,280 People saw it as normal. In the last 20 years 174 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,680 there has been some commotion, hatred, hostility, 175 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,480 but back then that was just a film and people didn't hold it against me. 176 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,720 They criticised me for some workers and unemployment, 177 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,440 but the gay story didn't bother anyone. 178 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,440 Today, many critics speak of the Black Wave 179 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,960 as a radical movement in Yugoslav cinema. 180 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,720 However, we should bear in mind that another term was in use in those years, 181 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,160 "The new Yugoslav film." This term was more comprehensive, 182 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,040 It encompassed a larger number of authors and new stylistic tendencies. 183 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,320 We have to film gays, come on. They are... uh. 184 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,360 If we look at their films, 185 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,360 we will see that queer motifs were very present in all of them. 186 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,840 It was beyond the framework of what is now known to as the Black Wave. 187 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Especially those films 188 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:49,320 for which Goran Mihić and Ljubiša Kozomara were the screenwriters. 189 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,320 In those films, 190 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Milan Jelić was practically a trademark. 191 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,520 I have seen the film "Crows", in which you played a role. 192 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,520 Was this character really gay or? -It was something similar to... 193 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Or was he feminised? -The pioneers of this were 194 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,680 the geniuses Gordan Mihić and Ljubiša Kozomara, 195 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,840 Our best scriptwriters, who later also directed. 196 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,160 They did pioneering work on these topics. 197 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,320 There haven't been roles like that for a long time. Žika started it 198 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,440 and then it continued with Mihić and Kozomara in "Crows." 199 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,840 It was in my film "The Bug Killer." 200 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,080 Do you have a girlfriend, or are you going alone? 201 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,800 Alone?! That's not good. 202 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Your uncle often went to the movies alone, 203 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,080 and in the end it turned out he was gay. 204 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:24,680 I have a girlfriend. 205 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,120 Your uncle embarrassed us all. 206 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,760 Now he lives alone in a comfortable apartment and hides his dirty nature, 207 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,400 but everyone knows who he is and they will know as long as I live. 208 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,680 Do you drink? 209 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,720 You must. Waiter, bring him a beer. 210 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,560 Learn to drink, you're not a sissy, and you can't be gay. 211 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,360 Women really hate that. 212 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,600 Pick a good, healthy girl. 213 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,560 Don't watch men while they're showering and avoid their company. 214 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,160 Kozomara wrote the script 215 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,240 for the show "Lefties" which from today's perspective 216 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,840 looks like explicit queer content. 217 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,640 Hat and dress of my non-existent aunt. 218 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,960 Ljupče, it's not nice to touch my things. 219 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,560 I keep tools there. -We've found dresses, 220 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,920 now we have to find out who the aunt was. 221 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,400 She really came, took me on her lap and offered me cheap sweets 222 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,880 Please, child, you are starting to annoy me with such thoughts. 223 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,360 Uncle, you were the aunt. 224 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,760 In this episode with the title "My uncle is my aunt," 225 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,800 Slavko Simić has a nephew played by Ljuba Moljac. 226 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,640 He was one of the heroes of the Black Wave 227 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,720 because he often, alongside Milan Jelić, 228 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:05,880 appeared in these films as an episode actor. 229 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,640 In the continuation of this episode, 230 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,680 Slavko Simić actually comes dressed as a woman 231 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,560 and introduces himself to his nephew. 232 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Is that my little nephew? 233 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,680 I've come to visit the little rascal 234 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,080 and brought him a nice present. 235 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,000 From the point of view of socialist television, 236 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:38,520 at the time of 1971, this was a completely subversive thing. 237 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,960 Uncle, what have you done? Take it off. 238 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,160 Aunt Zlatanović never forgot her young nephew and brought him this. 239 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Get away from me, you freak. 240 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,920 Ljuba and I played in several films together, 241 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:00,120 but the most interesting was the film "When I Am Dead and Gone." 242 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,480 He and I danced the waltz. I'll show you what it looked like. 243 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,480 Come on, you're actors. -The scene? -Yes. Now I'll direct a little. 244 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,640 Is that so? -That's right. It's not just my friend who's directing. 245 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,920 There is a workers' party, 246 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Everyone had to dance the waltz, and since there were very few girls, 247 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,040 Ljuba Moljac and I danced together. 248 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,960 Dance like this. Hold each other by the shoulders. 249 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,640 No, wait. How it was? Like this, hold your waist. 250 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,920 To one another. 251 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,560 Okay, let's switch. -Let's go. 252 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,360 One, two, three. One, two, three. 253 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,560 Now faster. -Come on, faster. Sing! 254 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,320 Oh, you're good. 255 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,240 Speed it up until you get dizzy. -I have thought you well. Well done. 256 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,880 We look nothing like them. It's like two different dances. 257 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,920 Cause you don't know how to dance. 258 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,800 I don't know? -You. 259 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,320 Come over here. Give me your hands. Put them here, 260 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,680 and slowly. 261 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,480 I rarely see you with girls, 262 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,160 And I see you every day. 263 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,320 I rarely see you with girls, 264 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,880 And yet you are never alone. 265 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,520 Boys are around you. 266 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,640 They're nice, but still, you know 267 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,200 Rumours spread fast, 268 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,840 And when they burst, it's over. 269 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,480 After Tito's death, the distribution of gay films really took off. 270 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,040 It was a sign 271 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,120 that socialist society had entered the phase of decadence, 272 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,640 the last round. 273 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,280 It was literally the end of a system. 274 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,520 The system could no longer maintain political control 275 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,320 and therefore could no longer fully control 276 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,960 neither the production of cultural content. 277 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:51,680 So some things were created on this ground 278 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,880 that were previously impossible. 279 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,800 Why are you looking at me like that? -Why have you tied the gay scarf? 280 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,880 Do you really think I'm gay? -Yes. You're gay. 281 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,920 The disco baroque of the 80s was the playground 282 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,320 where all trends could happily come together. 283 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,720 We had a foreign music scene that was full of gays and queers, 284 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,880 and that was still unconscious. 285 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,920 Pero, my son, don't worry. 286 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,880 Your mother will get your ear back. 287 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,560 I'll go straight to the evil singer's house and ask where the ear is. 288 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Dressed in his mother's clothes, with lipstick and a wig on his head, 289 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,880 Pera sets off in search of his ear. 290 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,320 Interestingly, there was a band that openly labelled themselves gay. 291 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,440 That was Bronski Beat. They called their first album "The Age of Consent." 292 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,880 They wanted to address the issue 293 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,280 that the age of consent in the UK at the time was 21. 294 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,640 They have compiled a list of countries where this was allowed much earlier. 295 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520 Yugoslavia was on that list. 296 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,320 You could legally enter into homosexual relationships at the age of 15 or 16. 297 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:28,080 When our film mainstream opened up to queer phenomena in the 1980s, 298 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,920 there were several new comedies that emerged. 299 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,040 There are a number of films here, such as "Spy on heels" by Milan Jelić, 300 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,840 who even then managed to smuggle queer characters 301 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,520 and queer themes into domestic films. 302 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,960 Good afternoon. Human Resources Department for "Disco-Hit." 303 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,160 I am Narcisa Zec. 304 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,200 Welcome to our team, Narcisa. -You know you're cute, don't you? 305 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,960 You have a cute moustache and a cute belly. You are cute. 306 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,840 The mainstream was a general joke 307 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,240 that lasted until late '80s and the dissolution of Yugoslavia, 308 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200 through a series of these newly composed comedies. 309 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:38,520 I wanted to put this ordinary policeman, a rural policeman 310 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,520 whose biggest job was to investigate who stole whose chicken... 311 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960 In an unusual situation. 312 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:51,320 He imagines himself as a great specialist and so on. 313 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,920 Of course, we also make a joke. 314 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,680 I make a scenario where he, as a man who constantly chasing after women, 315 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480 ends up in the company of homosexuals. 316 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,160 I don't know if you remember, but there is an interesting detail. 317 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,760 They send him off to infiltrate the group. 318 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Someone asks, "Did you tell him everything?" 319 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,080 I didn't mention one little thing, That they are queers over there. 320 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,120 That's where the story begins 321 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,560 and he has to pretend to be homosexual. 322 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,400 He doesn't know exactly what it looks like or what it is. 323 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,000 In a completely comical way, he tries not to be discovered. 324 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600 What would you like? -Scotch whiskey. 325 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,040 The working title was "Vaseliners" because from the beginning 326 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,360 their code when they meet was, "Have you got vaseline?" "We have." 327 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,000 That was the code, and it was also referred to homosexuals. 328 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,640 Have you got Vaseline? -I had it, but I used it up. 329 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960 Does this have any meaning for you? -You have no idea. 330 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,160 Will you give me one tube? 331 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,720 Sure, but only on one condition. -That goes without saying. 332 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,680 What goes without saying? -Well, you can come to my apartment. 333 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,720 First, we'll have a drink. 334 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,360 When I say to you, "Have you got Vaseline?", what do you say to me? 335 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,640 I haven't got it. -Just fuck off. -Why are you shouting at me? 336 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Fuck off. -You are such a rough guy. 337 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,360 Waiter, I want to pay! 338 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,920 The ideal of masculinity was different in the 1980s, 339 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,960 In the sense that there was an acceptance 340 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,480 of certain gay and queer characteristics 341 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,760 as something normal and heterosexual. 342 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,880 One grappa! 343 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280 Wow, what a lad! 344 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,320 Kiss him. 345 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,840 There was this appartheid that emerged later in the 90s. 346 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,480 There are fund-based films that deal exclusively with gay and queer issues 347 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,160 in a rather banal way. 348 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,040 On the other hand, there are these other, 349 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,360 so-called toxic masculine films. 350 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,000 So, the appartheid was absolutely disastrous for culture in the '90s, 351 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,920 and in the 80s there was a complete liberation through the Baroque. 352 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280 There was a freedom of all sorts of tendencies, 353 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,320 which naturally found expression in a much more extravagant style, 354 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,800 whether in music or film. 355 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Now everything is clear. Now I understand everything. 356 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,600 A whore in my master's gown. 357 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280 Now I don't understand anything. 358 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000 My dear, the joke was well invented 359 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,120 because it has permanently cured me of my jealousy. 360 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Through the New Wave and punk, 361 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,800 especially through the late-night program "Belgrade at Night" 362 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,920 with Oliver Mandić and Stanko Crnobrnja, 363 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,720 there was a serious opening of national TV to queer tendencies. 364 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,680 However, this new wave was limited 365 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,440 to a certain type of urban population, 366 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,440 the hipster culture of the time, which consumed and understood it. 367 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,960 For breakthrough of queer tendencies 368 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 on the so-called petit-bourgeois world, 369 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,200 which we call the average Serbian population, 370 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,680 the most significant figure was Boris Bizetić 371 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,360 and his fantastic project "Rockers from Morava." 372 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,600 Another interesting thing is that this is the time 373 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,120 when camp becomes very important as a concept 374 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,680 in consuming contemporary, pop-cultural content. 375 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Pele, give me back my wig. 376 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,200 Pele, give me back my wig. 377 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,000 Therefore, the films that were part of the newly emerging Serbian cinema 378 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,520 were connected to the camp culture. 379 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,520 Pele, give me back my wig. Don't be rude. 380 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,240 I understand the humour in this scene, 381 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,720 but someone could interpret it as mockery. 382 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,600 It might have been just pure entertainment. 383 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,680 But now someone might feel offended, while others might find it funny. 384 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,160 Back then, it was normal not to talk about it much 385 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,240 and if you did, it was either considered shameful 386 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,600 or you treated them like a sick person. 387 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,320 This is in contrast to the story that everything was more liberal back then. 388 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,200 I'm talking about the political sense. -That's what I meant. 389 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,720 I'm talking about the moral sense. You see, do you understand 390 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,720 that I went to school after the war and I had no idea about it? 391 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040 I heard about it in university. 392 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480 I don't think people have ever heard of it. 393 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,720 Call me Miki. What should I call you? 394 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,640 Call me Boki. -How? I didn't understand. 395 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,840 Peter. 396 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:15,040 Ah, that's your fake name. I'll call you Pele. 397 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,720 My fake name is Juan Fernandez de los Pedros. 398 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,080 I see, Pedros de la Naguzis. 399 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,360 They wanted to make money and an amusing film. 400 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,600 How do you know that? -Well, that's my guess. -Guess? 401 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,040 Everything is like a joke. -Just say I'm assuming, not... 402 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,080 As if it were your conclusion. -What are you doing? 403 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Go away. Did you dirty me? -You have something white on your face. 404 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,960 Do you want to put it under your head? -No, I don't. 405 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,520 Stanislav, what are you doing? What are you doing? 406 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,040 Tanja, wait, let me explain. 407 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,280 Stanislav?! He was the first gay character in Serbian cinema, 408 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,680 and today he owns a club for bodybuilders. 409 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:33,520 Look. -Right, the first gay man, and we found ten before him. 410 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,280 Bro, people aren't used to gays being bulging alpha males. 411 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,040 What's wrong with you? -He's gay. 412 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400 Gay? Impossible. -I've seen him with my own eyes. 413 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,120 He has a fiancée and he's gay. Great! -How do you know that? 414 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,480 Have you seen her? -He told me himself. 415 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,800 Asshole. I slapped him. -Well done. 416 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Slap? Slap?! 417 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,720 I started making amateur films a few years ago. 418 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,240 My name is Želimir Žilnik. 419 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:11,480 I started making films in the late 60s and I'm still making them today. 420 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,040 If you were to ask me which decade was the most productive, 421 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,720 then, in my experience the 80s were the most productive years. 422 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080 Girls, stretch the canvas. 423 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,960 Come on, pull. 424 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,080 "Pretty women walking through the city" 425 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:45,640 was prepared and shot in 1985 426 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,080 and released in 1986. 427 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,840 Where is Marx? 428 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:55,120 Here he is. -So where is Engels? You've got it mixed up. 429 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,200 I would say it's a low-budget, futuristic film, 430 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,640 but it's just interesting that there was an atmosphere 431 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,440 where you could pose those important questions. 432 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,760 The film begins in Belgrade, 433 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200 which is completely deserted after the wars of the 1990s. 434 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,040 There are only old people left. 435 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,600 When we were thinking about how to organise the story and the cast, 436 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,080 we came to the conclusion 437 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,640 that we should set the film in 2041, 438 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,800 and that Yugoslavia or the Balkan region is ruled by some dictators 439 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,880 who consider that the biggest crime is ethnic mixing 440 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,720 and co-operation between Balkan peoples. 441 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,800 It was obviously in the air that this was an option that might arise. 442 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,680 This is nonsense. The pussy has no national emblem. 443 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,560 We don't need the term man in Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian, Hungarian. 444 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,200 We need that piece of healthy, tough meat. 445 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,200 It doesn't need to be named. -Cock. -Stick. 446 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,800 Dick. -Tool. -Pipe. -Python. 447 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:20,160 Then we included a group of gay young men. 448 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,720 And why? As a provocation. These guys are there, 449 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,320 but there is no dialogue, no hope and no energy 450 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,800 to create a new generation. 451 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,280 That was the moment 452 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,160 when I met Vjeran Miladinović 453 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,800 who played a brilliant episodic role. 454 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,480 I am not satisfied with my behaviour towards him 455 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,320 because I offered him more than I should have done. 456 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,240 He knows of your affection for him? -He knows that I have concealed it. 457 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,960 If I had been direct with him, he might have got me and I him. 458 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,200 But he's afraid, because he's used to feeling like a king in my eyes. 459 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,320 So... -Do you have the feeling that you will win him over? 460 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,080 I think I'll have him in a few years, 461 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,240 and considering what he's put me through, 462 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,320 I won't forget it. I will get my revenge on him. 463 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,360 In the 1980s, before the dissolution of Yugoslavia, 464 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,960 the market began to open up completely, 465 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,200 first through newly composed comedies, and then, 466 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,960 if the entire market had not collapsed and not just Yugoslavia, 467 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,360 there would have been an opening for more serious, 468 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,760 serious-toned films on the same theme, 469 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,800 if we had continuity in the continuation of cinematography. 470 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,720 And since we had no continuity in the life of the country, 471 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,120 it didn't go any further. 472 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,200 A symbolically very important film was "Virgina" by Srđan Karanović. 473 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,080 Faster, little pisser. 474 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,880 My name is... 475 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,840 My name is... 476 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,560 The film was made in the last year of Yugoslav cinematography 477 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:23,480 and it showed a traditional transgender custom from rural, impoverished areas, 478 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,920 in which a female child in a family without male descendants 479 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,600 was forced to take on the role of a boy. 480 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,520 I know you're a girl. 481 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,840 I haven't told anyone, and I won't until you say so. 482 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,720 I'll be with you if you promise to be good. 483 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,840 I will. 484 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,560 The film was long regarded as the last Yugoslavian film, 485 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,000 but it is particularly relevant today 486 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,240 in the era of discussions about transgender identities. 487 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,560 Žilnik appeared with "Marble Ass" right at this moment of separation. 488 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,120 It's a serious film about queer issues. 489 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,360 So it's no longer this kind of new wave parody 490 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,920 which, if continued, 491 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,160 could actually lead to more serious and sophisticated style 492 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,440 in which such themes could be portrayed. 493 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,040 Hello, Susan. -Would you happen to have a condom for me? 494 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,800 Darling, I really can't give you any more. 495 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,920 I haven't done a single job, you know that's bad luck. 496 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,760 I give you a condom every night. Don't annoy me, I've just arrived. 497 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,560 Buy your own condoms when you get to work. 498 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,040 She's so annoying. 499 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,840 One evening, when I was on my way back to the railway station 500 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,600 an elderly woman approached me outside the station and said, 501 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,200 "Žilnik, would you like to have some fun?" 502 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,200 "We used to be very close. You even kissed me two or three times." 503 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,600 I said, "I remember your voice, but I don't know who you're." 504 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,320 She replied, "How can we not know each other? Last time you told me" 505 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,600 "That you cared about me and that we needed to do something together." 506 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,720 I said, "Listen, you made a mistake. I don't know you." 507 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,720 He took off his wig and it was Vjeran. 508 00:40:54,520 --> 00:41:00,360 Look, it's all in 1994, the beginning of summer. May, June. 509 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,280 He told me to come to him, near the railway station, 510 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,640 in Gavrilo Princip Street. 511 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600 He invited me to come round for a brandy, a Coke. 512 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,080 That was the first time I've sat with him and his three or four friends, 513 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,360 who were also non-operated men. 514 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,560 We just witnessed surreal situations. 515 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,200 Customers coming in, 516 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,120 negotiating with them as if it were the most normal thing, 517 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,080 arranging to have love affairs in some backyard 518 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,240 or in a car on the street. 519 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,240 Good evening. -Good evening -May I ask something? 520 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,200 Feel free, dear. -What's the price? -The price is 30 dinars with a condom. 521 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,320 What would you like, sex or a blowjob? -Sex. 522 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,200 Do you have money to pay me? -I only have 10 dinars. 523 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,800 Sweetie, for 10 dinars, you can go with those streetwalkers. 524 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,680 I am a lady. I worth 30 dinars. Shall we do this? 525 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,520 We started filming it, 526 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,120 but the people with the guns started reacting. 527 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,480 At that time, every second person who approached them was armed. 528 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,000 We filmed the whole thing, 529 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,760 but when the guy threatened to kill us, we left. 530 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,360 Don't be afraid. 531 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,320 Vjeran says, "I don't want to make documentary films." 532 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,280 "I don't want to be filmed with these clients" 533 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,520 "Or these sexual services." 534 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400 "I only want to film if you come up with a scenario" 535 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,240 "Where I'm something superior, like a Marilyn Monroe before retirement," 536 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,600 "Who has a bunch of young people around her who she teaches" 537 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,280 "And introduces to the craft in some way." 538 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,480 "Have we all seen the film Some Like It Hot?" 539 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,280 "That's a comedy. Let's make a comedy." 540 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,320 What are you doing, woman? -I'm making lunch. 541 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,520 You came to Belgrade to be a whore, not a housewife. 542 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,160 Why are you kneading? Where's your money? 543 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000 Then it took me a month or two 544 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,160 to write the story the way he imagined it. 545 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,960 Come on, join in. Aren't you interested? 546 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,560 Why do I need it? - We have a lot of UNPROFOR soldiers, diplomats. 547 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,040 You need a foreign language, are you crazy? 548 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,240 I've slept with foreigners. He comes to me, not the other way round. 549 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,960 How? Well, he comes up to me, looks at me coquettishly. 550 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:39,040 Asks for the price. He opens his arms a little and I say... 551 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,800 What do you tell him? -Fike fike, fellatio, Rome, house. 552 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,960 No problem. -Fike fike, fellatio, Rome, house. 553 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,120 Is that good? -Well, it's not bad. 554 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,240 I've told people that the film will be called "Kilometres of dick." 555 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,840 Because Vjeran once told me something, 556 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,840 when I asked him why they were doing this. 557 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,640 He said, "You know what? It's also kind of, let's say," 558 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,120 "Humanitarian work and helping" 559 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,080 "And calming down the insane energy of these kids" 560 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,640 "Who don't know what they're doing." 561 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,440 "I've sucked a kilometre or two of dick doing this humanitarian work." 562 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,080 It's much warmer up here. 563 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,840 Am I disturbing you? -No. Everything is fine. 564 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,400 I don't like crowds. That's why I asked. 565 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,440 It's good that there's no crowd. 566 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,320 I don't mind. 567 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,880 You like crowds, huh? 568 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,040 Well, I do. 569 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,320 You don't have to move. 570 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:35,560 What a poof. 571 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,800 What music should be playing in the background? -Tina Turner. 572 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640 Something from the '80s? -No, Tina Turner. 573 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,960 Seriously, it's a film. 574 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,400 I would simply make a film out of it, from beginning to end. 575 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,600 Without any explanation. 576 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,720 I don't want to impose, but... 577 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,560 Do you think you can go to the game? -Why shouldn't I? 578 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,360 It's pretty rough there. 579 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,600 That's why I'm coming here later with my mates. 580 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,080 I've been playing handball for I don't know how many years. 581 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,320 If something is rough, it's this sport. 582 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,200 The only problem for me is the dialogue. 583 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,320 I would even shorten it, without dialogue. 584 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,440 I think that just movements and glances would be enough. 585 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,600 Look, when I barely touched you, you reacted like this, 586 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,200 but look what I've done to you now, you didn't react to that. 587 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,360 This is really great. Take a look at this. 588 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,960 "Made in Serbia" was a surprise for many viewers 589 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,240 who do not watch this kind of thing, 590 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,520 especially because it was described as a pornographic film 591 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,640 which is not true. 592 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,920 People who appear in gay porn, gay adult films, 593 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,840 and those who appear in straight porn are actually the same performers 594 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,160 or mostly the same performers. 595 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:05,120 As far as pornography is concerned, 596 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,680 I would prefer not to be involved in this business any more 597 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,080 but a man still has to earn his living somehow. 598 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,920 A topic related to pornography and the production of a pornographic film 599 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,840 was in my film "Made in Serbia," my first feature film. 600 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,440 This topic was interesting to me 601 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,680 because it involved exploring themes from an unknown world. 602 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,560 It's the conflict between Eros and Thanatos. 603 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,760 The focus wasn't on what the porn industry means in Serbia. 604 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,880 It's about the aesthetics of darkness, the aesthetics of ugliness. 605 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,920 Would you like a coffee? -Eržebet is a very sincere person. 606 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,800 She doesn't pretend, unlike many girls who are always philosophising. 607 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,480 She talks openly. 608 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,480 For money she gets here, she should work somewhere for a month and a half. 609 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,560 We work in the fields all day in that sun 610 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,000 and we get 700 dinars a day. 611 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,200 From 6 in the morning until 3 in the afternoon. 612 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,000 I was interested in giving a portrait of Serbia through the porn industry, 613 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,680 both through "Made in Serbia" and "Life and death of a porno gang." 614 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,960 Ognjen, it's you. I almost fucked you. -I knew you were a faggot. 615 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,960 Me, gay? What about your new look? 616 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,920 Friend, we're in deep shit. I need to tell you something. 617 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,520 Look at these two. Why don't you join them? 618 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,320 Stop talking shit and listen to me. I think aliens are visiting our planet. 619 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:47,840 It's a kind of female species, so I dressed under its influence. 620 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,320 Which women? There are more and more faggots around us. 621 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,280 They don't even hide anymore. They take high positions everywhere. 622 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,160 Vladan, it seems like almost all of your characters are queer. 623 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,920 Is that some kind of standard for you? 624 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,800 I get the impression that you have normal attitude towards it. 625 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,760 It somehow arose from my cinephile experience 626 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,120 in connection with the films of Morrissey, Warhol, 627 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,080 films they made together. 628 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,160 John Waters. -Pasolini? -And Pasolini. 629 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,960 I don't know how much this has to do with reality. 630 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,720 It has more to do with my cinephile experience 631 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,760 which I took from films I loved 632 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,320 and I still love. 633 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,560 This won't going to work. -Why? 634 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,840 I'm ill. 635 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,840 I don't intend to live forever either. 636 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,880 So you treat them in a normal way. 637 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,440 I didn't distance myself from it and I wasn't being ironic, 638 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,320 but it's all part of a certain camp feeling, 639 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,880 more a kind of filmophilia. 640 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:35,080 So it wasn't just queer moments that I took from these films. 641 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,080 This won't going to work. -Why? 642 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,960 I'm ill. 643 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,320 I don't intend to live forever either. 644 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,040 Wait, wait. 645 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:16,480 You've choked me. -Didn't I tell you not to play like that at all? 646 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,080 You know everything, I know nothing, right? We're back to square one. 647 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,280 Surely you know something too. Just kidding, you know nothing. 648 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,760 I think few authors have returned to these queer themes. 649 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,640 Mladen and Žilnik have been working on them constantly. 650 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,240 Đorđević Mladen and Želimir Žilnik? -That's right. 651 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,240 In the house that is being built, I met Kennedy's father, Kennedy's mother 652 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,840 and Kennedy's two brothers. 653 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,840 Father was nervous because I wanted to hold Kennedy back. 654 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,960 The father said: "He must go to work. He's received two or three calls." 655 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,560 I didn't understand what's going on. I even thought maybe he had a gang 656 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,240 he was hanging out with. 657 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,800 I asked him what he meant and he said: "He offers these services." 658 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,800 "He provides sexual services." 659 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,480 "He offers sexual services to both men and women." 660 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,200 I was shocked. 661 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,880 Give me the cigarette. Can you see how it's done here in Yugoslavia? 662 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,360 You see, he knows how to do it right. 663 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,040 In our conversation, we've mentioned 664 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,040 that there has been news 665 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,880 about changes in German laws, 666 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,640 that same-sex marriage is now also permitted in Germany. 667 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,120 And after finding 668 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,560 a few interested friends and acquaintances 669 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,680 who have already worked at gay festivals, 670 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,560 we start filming the beginning of the film 671 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:04,560 and preparing the arrival of the groom. 672 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,120 Dominance over the phallus 673 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,560 is indeed the main ailment 674 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:42,360 of the Serbian cultural matrix. 675 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,840 Dominance over women is therefore not enough 676 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,640 to appease the pagan impulse that exists. 677 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,560 For example, I tried to introduce this content into Serbian cinema 678 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,760 by writing "A Serbian film." 679 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,720 We didn't just want to break some taboos. 680 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:17,640 It was also an experiment in the adaptation of Serbian profanities, 681 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,440 the most brutal Serbian profanities, 682 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,840 and incorporating them into a genre context. 683 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,480 Throughout the social narrative, 684 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,960 the LGBT population is perceived as treacherous or hostile. 685 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:44,000 Since the 90s and the wars, gay men who don't join the military 686 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,160 or avoid military service are seen as less masculine 687 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:52,520 to the point that the NGO sector is anti-Serb. 688 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,840 All this together makes a gay man. 689 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,680 This has also been reflected in films. 690 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,840 A remarkable example for me is the film "Miloš Branković" 691 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:09,400 in which we have two evil lesbians who symbolise the non-governmental sector 692 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,960 and a gay teacher who is portrayed as a sexual predator. 693 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,680 It shows what this gay character is like. 694 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,840 What if mum finds out? 695 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,960 You'll get it, I promise. 696 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,120 If we look back in time, 697 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,920 we'll realise that gay characters have always been a bit problematic. 698 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,720 The 2008 film "Obituary for Escobar" by Milorad Milinković 699 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,720 created a completely new portrayal. 700 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,120 For the first time, transgender woman is played by an actress, 701 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,000 Tamara Grajbas, a popular regional star at the time. 702 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,480 Bojana. -Yeah. 703 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,480 Don't you remember me? -No. We went to school together. 704 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,560 Primary or secondary? -Both, and in the kindergarten. 705 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,120 I called you. -Borko? 706 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,400 His name is Lela now. 707 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,960 I remember when Ljuca's film "Sergeant" appeared on a porn site 708 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,720 with a sex scene between Timotijević and Marić, 709 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,320 when they were still young and attractive. 710 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:33,440 It ended up in the Serbian tabloids. Everyone talked about the sex scene 711 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,160 as if it were a terribly spectacular event. 712 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,640 So anyone who decides to make a gay film 713 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,760 and play a gay role in a film 714 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,680 is sure to be ridiculed by the tabloid press 715 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,480 and portrayed as some kind of sensation. 716 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,960 I understand young actors who don't want to go through this. 717 00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,560 I see that in Serbian cinema LGBT characters are in the background, 718 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,480 that they are there to fulfil a quota, 719 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,040 and not because the theme is about the LGBT population. 720 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:15,720 In this sense, "Marble Ass" is indeed the queerest Serbian film of all time. 721 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,360 It deals with the queer population and shows queer characters. 722 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,600 We still don't have a film like this. 723 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,600 "The Parade"," which approaches that level, 724 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,960 is still not a film that really focuses on the LGBT population, 725 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,120 but rather has them in the background. 726 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,360 This film is totally camp. -My Miško loves it. -Really? 727 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,840 Miško, "Ben-Hur." -"Ben-Hur," huh? 728 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,880 Sorry. 729 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,160 There's your "Ben-Hur." 730 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,800 You're not so good this time. -123? -123. 731 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,400 If that's not better than Vučić's football... 732 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,560 Okay, you get three grand for that. 733 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120 In Ben Hur they play darts. Where does Ben-Hur come from? 734 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,200 "Ben-Hur" is a totally gay film. -What did you say? 735 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,400 There's that famous scene in Ben-Hur when they meet, 736 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,280 that we claimed was one of the most beautiful love scenes. 737 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,240 It is, but Charlton Heston was a big homophobe. 738 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,000 That is love. 739 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,600 He simply couldn't believe that it was later interpreted that way, 740 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,160 that his partner was actually gay. 741 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,600 He wasn't pleased when he found out. 742 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,360 This scene was really full of emotion. 743 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,320 You're good. You've put on a bit of weight. Playing around, huh? 744 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,280 Ben-Hur. 745 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,960 I find it fascinating that this is the first film 746 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,600 to focus not on the sexuality of a single character, but on a group. 747 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,840 That is indeed interesting. It's an interesting observation. 748 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,760 My films are generally more or less political. 749 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,440 This is proof that homophobia, violence 750 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,320 and intolerance are prevalent throughout the region. 751 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,720 We hope that 10 years after the disgraceful beating of activists... 752 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,080 Are you prepared to take responsibility 753 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,600 for the violence on the streets next weekend? 754 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,640 What about statement by the head of the Orthodox Church 755 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,960 opposing the holding of the pride parade? 756 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,080 The Pride Parade in 2001 757 01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,320 was the biggest mistake we activists made 758 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,200 because we were ahead of our time. 759 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,400 We tried to do something for which the conditions weren't right. 760 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,800 Carried away by the fact that there was a regime change, 761 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,200 that Slobodan Milošević went to The Hague, 762 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,800 we thought that everything had become perfect here overnight 763 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,200 even though it was still the same society, the same people, 764 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,000 the same police, and the same politicians. 765 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,760 In the middle of all this, we wanted to organise the first gay pride parade 766 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,600 and then happened what happened. 767 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:40,800 That was a reference to the fact that it's normal to go out on the street 768 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,640 and beat up gay people and prevent the parade. 769 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,040 I remember the video 770 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,760 in which a group of men marched through the centre of Belgrade 771 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,840 shouting, "Kill the faggots!" 772 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,560 That is etched in my memory. 773 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:10,240 And the policemen watching from the side were filing their nails 774 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,000 saying: "It's not our concern. Strike, go ahead." 775 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,400 They reacted only when they were attacked. 776 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,880 There weren't enough participants in the gay parade for so many attackers 777 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,440 so they found their next victim in the police. 778 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,160 Only then did the brawls and chaos begin. 779 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,200 We had planned to include other actors who didn't want to take part. 780 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,840 They're prominent actors and artists, good people. 781 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,760 They just didn't want anything to do with it. 782 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:54,160 You can't blame anyone, because in 2010 783 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,640 it was still pretty tricky. 784 01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,560 The social situation was somewhat tense in this respect. 785 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,520 Especially after the parade, which led to much violence and many casualties 786 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,520 and left that part of the city in ruins. 787 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,280 People were not indifferent. 788 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,880 The year 2010 is very similar to 2001, 789 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,000 except that the political support has changed. 790 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,960 Not because the ruling party wanted it, 791 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,600 but because there was immense external pressure 792 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,560 for the parade to take place, and it did. 793 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,160 Even today we still refer to this parade as the bloody one. 794 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,000 In the middle of this circle in which we walked, 795 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,920 while others filmed the parade, everything was normal 796 01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,960 but around us there was chaos like in a war zone. 797 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,800 After the parade, they threw us into police vehicles 798 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,840 and took us out of the city centre to prevent us from being attacked. 799 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,600 Again, the question is whether we got anything out of it. 800 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,640 Violence is once again being normalise. 801 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,920 A different approach was taken regarding the parade, 802 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:22,440 and not much talk about what the community wants, 803 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,640 what problems the LGBT population in Serbia is facing. 804 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,000 It's always about some policy that doesn't affect us at all. 805 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,680 This is no longer a question of straight or gay. 806 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,080 These are two Serbias. 807 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,400 Except that this Serbia forces you every day to be something you aren't. 808 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,560 It forces you to play six different roles, 809 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,640 one for your parents, for friends, for the street, for work. 810 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,080 It forces you to be something you aren't. 811 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,560 What we are talking about now has caught our generation 812 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,040 as a result of the war and a significant downfall. 813 01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,440 For example, in the country where we were born, in Yugoslavia, 814 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,840 it was considered inappropriate to talk about it. 815 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:05,960 Not in the sense that it existed, 816 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,960 but in the sense that its existence was questioned. 817 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,200 Nation as well. I don't want to idealise the SFRY. 818 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,120 I remember that we were 819 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,920 part of the small punk movement in the late 1970s. 820 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,640 As we belonged to a minority, 821 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,360 there were also incidents where 'Domci' 822 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:35,360 and cadets from military academies 823 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,280 would come to the park and want to beat us up. 824 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,000 In the park near the hotel "Moskva" there were gays 825 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,520 but also punks. 826 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,240 They would take off their belts, run past the gays 827 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,560 and say: "What's up, faggots. We want to beat up the punks." 828 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:51,320 Do you have a shirt, bro? -Huh? Do you have a shirt? -I do. 829 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,960 During the preparations for the film, I articulated the awareness 830 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,240 that this is indeed a sensitive subject. 831 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,200 Many actors refuse to play gay characters. 832 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,480 I don't know why anyone would rather play Novica or Ratko Mladić 833 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,160 than play a gay character. 834 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,560 Why is that socially acceptable? -It was very disturbing for me. 835 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,800 For me, this is a serious point of abnormality 836 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,000 in all the madness we have experienced in this society 837 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,480 which put us in a situation where a young person says something like that 838 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,840 and thinks it's okay to say it. 839 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,560 It wasn't a dirty, dark secret that someone made up after casting. 840 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,160 They explicitly tell you that they would play a skinhead, 841 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,280 but not a gay basketball player. 842 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,400 There have been queer, gay characters throughout history 843 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,280 but not portrayed in this way. 844 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:59,600 Do you think that could have been a reason for the rejection? 845 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,240 It was portrayed in history, 846 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:07,040 but you have to analyse the subtexts of these films, 847 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,920 the traces of queer elements in the history of our cinematography. 848 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:17,880 They didn't explicitly deal with the topics that are relevant today. 849 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:23,960 Obviously, there are some reservations. People aren't prepared to deal with it. 850 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:29,160 A certain passivity? -No. I think it's a fear, a barrier. 851 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,920 I wanted to find out why this is the case. 852 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,160 Show us where the showers are. What does it look like now? 853 01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,120 Has anything changed? -What does it say here? 854 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,120 Hey, where are you going? 855 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,560 It's all right, bro. -Get the fuck out, man. 856 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,320 Just relax. -Get the fuck out, you motherfucking gay. 857 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,400 When people talk about "the scene," 858 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,400 for me it's actually the scene of the conversation and the coming out 859 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,840 which is much more demanding. 860 01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,720 A shower is a kind of choreography. -A physical scene. -That's right. 861 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,560 In fact, we got to this one faster than the other one. 862 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,240 I told them that and they didn't believe me. 863 01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:54,760 The kiss and the fight were mystified, 864 01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,800 but the other scene was really hard. 865 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,480 I don't remember how many times I've been beaten up. 866 01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:09,440 One day I go to school, and this little Ružić, 867 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,600 he was in "Obraz," comes up to me and spits in my face. 868 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,320 I slapped him in the face. 869 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,560 After school, three of them waited for me. 870 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,760 Three of them against me alone. 871 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:33,960 They started punching and kicking me. They just hit me on the head. 872 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,480 The blood was flowing. I didn't know if I was alive or dead. 873 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:43,160 I looked at one of them, and he said, "Do you like sucking dick, huh?" 874 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,280 "You like sucking dick, don't you?" 875 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,000 During this time, I realised 876 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,840 that the atmosphere had improved somewhat compared to "Skinning," 877 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,640 where there were death threats, a police cordon at the premiere 878 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,720 and a really difficult life situation in 2010. 879 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,800 Sorry for interrupting your lesson. 880 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,600 Novica, is that you? 881 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,560 Professor! I've thought about your offer. 882 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,960 I decided not to be your boyfriend. -Excuse me? 883 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,400 I won't be your boyfriend. Are you deaf? 884 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,520 I don't see you that way. You're a great guy and all... 885 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,080 But I don't see you that way. -Novice, calm down. 886 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:35,400 We can be friends. Actually, we can't. 887 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,800 Because you're a twisted faggot. 888 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,920 I took your advice, professor. I didn't apply. 889 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,600 Why was the reaction to 'Skinnig' worse? 890 01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:00,480 You're poking around where you shouldn't. -Like we're tough, huligans. 891 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,000 Racism. -No, in "Skinning" that was the first time that patriotism 892 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,200 was portrayed as Nazism, as fascism. 893 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,000 I think they got that right 894 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,000 and it was appropriate that they were so pissed off. 895 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,640 It was something that was politically hidden. 896 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:23,160 You hide these pure fascist ideas according to Umberto Eco's definition, 897 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,920 based on these ten points. 898 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,680 You hide them behind a Serbdom. They say we are not fascists, 899 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:32,600 but we hate these, we hate those. 900 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,880 You fulfil all criteria, but in reality you hide under the mask of patriotism. 901 01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:48,280 In fact, there is a cowardice in domestic films when it comes 902 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,720 to discussing certain things openly. 903 01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:56,400 All of that is kind of wrapped up in 350 layers. 904 01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,560 That's why I wanted "Next to me" which is an activist film, 905 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,880 to also be a teenage film that someone would watch. 906 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,040 We have this lie that everyone buys. 907 01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:14,920 That committed films are art tailored to European funds, 908 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:19,320 which is seen by thousands in cinemas as an activist film. 909 01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:23,200 No, an activist film is when you reach out to 910 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,680 to people outside the zone of those you agree with. 911 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,160 In English they say "preaching to the converted," 912 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,120 which means you preach to those who share your views. 913 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,920 We can see that on Twitter. 914 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,000 There's no retreat, no surrender. Serbia to the Serbs. 915 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,120 Where did you buy this shirt? -It's from the New Yorker. 916 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,720 Well, I'm working class. Nothing fancy. -Not into Calvin Klein? 917 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,000 What do you think guys? Biceps or triceps? 918 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,480 I don't mean what do you think of mine. What's more important in general? 919 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,800 The triceps have three in the name. -The triceps is the real deal. 920 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,080 Three is Serbian. -It's very important. 921 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,360 What do the girls say about that? -They ask if it's from CrossFit. 922 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,080 You're into girls? -Why? You aren't? -I'm just asking. 923 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,720 Bro. -We can do it like this. -It's a bit swishy. 924 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:25,600 There is nothing to be afraid of. It's enough to be self-confident. 925 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,720 I'm going to take a shower now. -Let's go. 926 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,680 Do you intend to become serious? 927 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,280 I'm always serious. Don't get upset, but I have something nice to tell you. 928 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,240 I don't get upset by myself. 929 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:13,720 Do you know what I found out? -What did you find out? -Women. 930 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,040 What are you doing? 931 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,240 Did you know that women have never been condemned for their gay roles? 932 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,480 Can you do that, Miloš? -Of course, I can. 933 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:29,280 How many sets of this do you do? -That depends on the weight. 934 01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:32,320 Come on, try it now. Try to do it slower. 935 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,200 That's good. One more time. 936 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,400 That's it. 937 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,240 Now it's your turn. That's 70kg. 938 01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,280 Do you want to lose a little weight? -Let me try first. 939 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,200 Just take it slowly. Don't rush. 940 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,360 The scene in which you appear and your character kisses the man 941 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,920 is shown as if you were coming home and kissing your wife, 942 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,400 there's no difference. 943 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,040 I thought you had stood me up again. 944 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,080 You? 945 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,720 Never! 946 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,040 They only included the fact that you are gay in the show. 947 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,960 Did you then have to change your approach to your character? 948 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,560 And how do you play gay? -That's the question. 949 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,560 It's not played, either you're or you aren't not. 950 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:38,840 It's as if you're no longer playing as a Serb, but as a Hungarian. 951 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,120 You don't play him differently. 952 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,120 I'm asking you because people who play a gay character 953 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,560 immediately add some feminized elements 954 01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,320 but your character remained practically the same. 955 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:55,000 I didn't see the character like that. I saw him as a gay macho. 956 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,800 That's exactly what bothered people. 957 01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,680 Miloš Timotijević after gay scene, "I received hate messages." 958 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,880 "I don't regret playing a homosexual." 959 01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,280 It was a surprise. Expectations were too high. 960 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,600 Most of the children admired this character because he is so powerful, 961 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,560 because he can bully. 962 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,720 They admired him, and then it turned out that he was gay. 963 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,880 A gay stuntman could have done that! 964 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:32,760 That's part of my job. I didn't make it up. 965 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,520 And even if I had made it up, it's not important. 966 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,400 I was defending this character. -That's right. 967 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:44,600 For this reason, an uneducated, uncultured nobody 968 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,080 wanted me to die of cancer. 969 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,040 Is that normal? Do we live in a civilised society? Well, we don't. 970 01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,600 This is a society of double standards. 971 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,080 On the one hand, it is deeply patriarchal and misogynistic, 972 01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:08,600 and on the other, why can't a macho man be gay? 973 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,000 Are you concerned about this film? -In what way? 974 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,960 In the sense that someone is going to cause us problems. -I don't know. 975 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,520 Do you know what the biggest problem with you Serbs is? -What are you? 976 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,160 He is Celtic. That's right, Cecili. 977 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,800 I am Celtic. -Does that mean I am also Celtic? -No, it doesn't. 978 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,320 How did you come up with characters? -I first made up mom and dad 979 01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:43,440 and the first scene in which she masturbates and he comes in. 980 01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,200 After that he decides to run away, which I found very funny. 981 01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,480 I realised that they had a problem in their marriage. 982 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,200 I wanted to make a film with lots of characters 983 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:59,440 because I like working with actors. 984 01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,600 Then I had the idea that it could be a birthday. 985 01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,600 For some reason, I remembered my birthday in '93 986 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,360 and then I thought about who should come. 987 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,240 I knew there would be a love triangle. 988 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,280 Since I had a lesbian love triangle, 989 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,440 I had to have a gay couple too. 990 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,960 And since I had them, I wanted them all. 991 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,000 I wanted to work out the dynamic between them 992 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,160 and what they bring to the table. 993 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:42,360 If they were there in '93, what kind of house is it? 994 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,560 This means that the mother must have had a gay brother 995 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:52,240 and she opens up from an early age 996 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:57,000 to the LGBT community. 997 01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:03,960 Do you think it's likely that so many queer people will end up in one place? 998 01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,040 I didn't want it that way. 999 01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,520 When you have queer people around you, 1000 01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:15,120 it suddenly becomes a group, everyone kind of hangs out together. 1001 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,840 Whoa, woman, what have you got there? 1002 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,440 So we can have fun. What's wrong with that? -Nothing at all. 1003 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:32,200 I'm interested in breaking down barriers related to cinematography. 1004 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:40,000 You have dealt with all these LGBT issues very casually, 1005 01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,080 without much fuss or anything. 1006 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,200 That's really wonderful. 1007 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:51,520 Was it generally treated like this in our cinematography? 1008 01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,200 I'm referring to this context of LGBT. 1009 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,560 Someone said that I strive 1010 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,800 to normalise both theme and characters. 1011 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,920 It's true, but I'm aiming for that with all characters. 1012 01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,840 So we have an alcoholic at the party, 1013 01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,360 and I don't talk about her alcoholism problem. 1014 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,760 She's there, she's entertaining. Sure, when she gets excessive 1015 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:20,520 she's not that entertaining, but I just don't portray that moment 1016 01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,560 or the moments of other characters. 1017 01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:28,480 As you said, the queer moment is part of them, 1018 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:29,960 not their entire life. 1019 01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,800 There's no reason to put it in the spotlight. 1020 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:04,520 When we part ways, you will forget me. 1021 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,040 I thought you had stood me up again. -You? 1022 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,360 Never! 1023 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,240 Do you have a girlfriend, or are you going alone? 1024 01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:38,520 OPERATION VASELINE 1025 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,600 You can't be gay. Women really hate that. 1026 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,760 There are more and more faggots around us. 1027 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:08,200 They don't hide anymore. They take high positions everywhere. 1028 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,160 I am not satisfied with my behaviour towards him. 1029 01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,600 I offered him more than I should have done. 1030 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,200 I think I'll have him in a few years, 1031 01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,040 and considering what he's put me through, 1032 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:45,800 I won't forget it. 1033 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,040 I will get my revenge on him. 1034 01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:55,960 Faster, little pisser. 1035 01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,760 You came to Belgrade to be a whore, not a housewife. 1036 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,240 We work in the fields all day in that sun and we get 700 dinars. 1037 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,520 Pele, give me back my wig. 1038 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,880 Pele, give me back my wig. 1039 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,160 Pele, give me back my wig. 1040 01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,920 You know you're cute, don't you? -Don't be rude. 1041 01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,640 You have a cute moustache. 1042 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:37,040 You whore, in my master's gown. 1043 01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,600 Whoa, woman, what have you got there? 1044 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,240 Hey, where are you going? -Do you like sucking dick, huh? 1045 01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,120 Get the fuck out, you motherfucking gay. 1046 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,000 Have you got Vaseline? 1047 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,280 I had it, but I used it up. 1048 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:21,080 When I say to you, "Have you got Vaseline?", what do you say to me? 1049 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,200 I haven't got it. 1050 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:35,920 So... 1051 01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,880 Is it a problem to make a film like this?